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		<title>By: Ben</title>
		<link>http://newmusicstrategies.com/2008/10/25/but-if-they-steal-it/comment-page-3/#comment-6925</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Oct 2011 10:31:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At the end of the day music piracy is happening and its only going to carry on, and the industry can either change with the times and find other means of generating an income stream or end up fighting a loosing battle. Miilions of people arent just going to stop illegally downloading tracks. 

http://www.musicthinktank.com/blog/the-new-music-industry-is-not-coming.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At the end of the day music piracy is happening and its only going to carry on, and the industry can either change with the times and find other means of generating an income stream or end up fighting a loosing battle. Miilions of people arent just going to stop illegally downloading tracks. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.musicthinktank.com/blog/the-new-music-industry-is-not-coming.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.musicthinktank.com/blog/the-new-music-industry-is-not-coming.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: keenan vaughan mate!</title>
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		<dc:creator>keenan vaughan mate!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Oct 2011 10:27:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>mate, suck my right nip. you all bang on about this shit- cut it out little boys. and stop being counts to brad, he&#039;s really cool you know! and hung
 :P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>mate, suck my right nip. you all bang on about this shit- cut it out little boys. and stop being counts to brad, he&#8217;s really cool you know! and hung<br />
 :P</p>
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		<title>By: Brad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Oct 2011 10:18:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Music piracy has it&#039;s good and bad things.
For one, pirating music may give something to do instead of other crimes (but that&#039;s kinda a stupid point). 
Two, pirating music introduces people to new types of music, which they may enjoy a lot, and end up buying many albums of the same type.
Also, it gives a good idea of what to expect. Most people (with limited cash at least) won&#039;t go into a music store and buy a random record. Usually it will be something they&#039;ve been recommended or heard on the radio. &quot;Piracy&quot; gives people a chance to hear music that isn&#039;t &quot;popular&quot; enough for the radio, hence promoting smaller, newer bands and artists.

The Cons:
It takes money away from people who have tried hard to get in the industry and create a record.
It helps spread computer viruses. :P
And more that I can&#039;t think of.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Music piracy has it&#8217;s good and bad things.<br />
For one, pirating music may give something to do instead of other crimes (but that&#8217;s kinda a stupid point).<br />
Two, pirating music introduces people to new types of music, which they may enjoy a lot, and end up buying many albums of the same type.<br />
Also, it gives a good idea of what to expect. Most people (with limited cash at least) won&#8217;t go into a music store and buy a random record. Usually it will be something they&#8217;ve been recommended or heard on the radio. &#8220;Piracy&#8221; gives people a chance to hear music that isn&#8217;t &#8220;popular&#8221; enough for the radio, hence promoting smaller, newer bands and artists.</p>
<p>The Cons:<br />
It takes money away from people who have tried hard to get in the industry and create a record.<br />
It helps spread computer viruses. :P<br />
And more that I can&#8217;t think of.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Oct 2011 10:16:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.musicthinktank.com/blog/the-new-music-industry-is-not-coming.html</description>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Oct 2011 10:15:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>personally the only song I&#039;ve ever been bothered to listen to is by the band &#039;Come Down Jenny&#039; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLm2RvAwiVo</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>personally the only song I&#8217;ve ever been bothered to listen to is by the band &#8216;Come Down Jenny&#8217; <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLm2RvAwiVo" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLm2RvAwiVo</a></p>
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		<title>By: Kali Azzura</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kali Azzura</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 20:14:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I just discovered Worldwide Groove Corporation because of this post and I&#039;m listening to them right now. :) They officially have a new fan.
As a struggling musician myself, I&#039;m am one of those who has, on the odd occasion, &quot;acquried&quot; music without paying for it and I have to agree with Andrew that I wouldn&#039;t have actually paid for those particular mp3 anyway. I also figure that I am adding to the pool of music that people rip off the net so why can&#039;t I take something back every now and then?

However, I must also say that I have also paid for some music this year too - I raced out and bought Sia&#039;s CDs even though I knew I could find her stuff online for free.  Why did I make an exception with her?  Because I got REALLY excited about her music and I wanted to support a fellow Australian in her musical endeavours.  I also bought Pomplamoose&#039;s dongle since they are making a grass roots effort and have enormous talent. (You&#039;ll notice I enjoy promoting my favourite musicians too ;)

I still haven&#039;t worked out what the next step is for myself either - I haven&#039;t invested much money in my music yet because I haven&#039;t been able to afford it - I&#039;ve just got some fans who like my raw and rough mostly live acoustic recordings of cover songs on Youtube and are telling me they are waiting for me to release a CD.  I&#039;m just worried I will spend money I don&#039;t have on making professional recordings and buying mechanical licenses only to find that few people actually end up paying for the music.  That would irritate me too!

So until I work out how to survive in the industry today, I won&#039;t feel guilty too about enjoying other people&#039;s music for free (I still buy the music I really want) and I&#039;ll try not to be irritated that I don&#039;t make money from the recordings I do which people rip off the net.

Kali Azzura</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I just discovered Worldwide Groove Corporation because of this post and I&#8217;m listening to them right now. :) They officially have a new fan.<br />
As a struggling musician myself, I&#8217;m am one of those who has, on the odd occasion, &#8220;acquried&#8221; music without paying for it and I have to agree with Andrew that I wouldn&#8217;t have actually paid for those particular mp3 anyway. I also figure that I am adding to the pool of music that people rip off the net so why can&#8217;t I take something back every now and then?</p>
<p>However, I must also say that I have also paid for some music this year too &#8211; I raced out and bought Sia&#8217;s CDs even though I knew I could find her stuff online for free.  Why did I make an exception with her?  Because I got REALLY excited about her music and I wanted to support a fellow Australian in her musical endeavours.  I also bought Pomplamoose&#8217;s dongle since they are making a grass roots effort and have enormous talent. (You&#8217;ll notice I enjoy promoting my favourite musicians too ;)</p>
<p>I still haven&#8217;t worked out what the next step is for myself either &#8211; I haven&#8217;t invested much money in my music yet because I haven&#8217;t been able to afford it &#8211; I&#8217;ve just got some fans who like my raw and rough mostly live acoustic recordings of cover songs on Youtube and are telling me they are waiting for me to release a CD.  I&#8217;m just worried I will spend money I don&#8217;t have on making professional recordings and buying mechanical licenses only to find that few people actually end up paying for the music.  That would irritate me too!</p>
<p>So until I work out how to survive in the industry today, I won&#8217;t feel guilty too about enjoying other people&#8217;s music for free (I still buy the music I really want) and I&#8217;ll try not to be irritated that I don&#8217;t make money from the recordings I do which people rip off the net.</p>
<p>Kali Azzura</p>
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		<title>By: Mile</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mile</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Dec 2008 04:16:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First of all worldwide groove is great...personaly i just love it... but from my perspective as a user.. they will get a lot more attention and feedback if they just let the damn thing get stolen..if you look at it this way: the only downside is that they wount get money from true fan&#039;s that&#039;s it... which they wount get it anyway.. if they dont spread their music... + points to: - their music will spread faster throughout the world - they will get more attention from the public - that leads to business opportunities  and that leads to... that.. true fan&#039;s will defenetly buy the cd and belive me at least 5% of the world listen to this kindof music.. so if you addup the equasion they will get their payback.. and besides their music is realy great.. i see no reason why they would&#039;nt succeed?... and for all you idiot&#039;s with comment&#039;s about stealing and what&#039;s who&#039;s and what&#039;s right.. in our modern fucked up society...its called commercialization &amp; marketing.. live with it... take use of it.. spread the damn thing and let ppl know... you cant sell a banana to a monkey if the monkey doesn&#039;t even know the banana exist&#039;s....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First of all worldwide groove is great&#8230;personaly i just love it&#8230; but from my perspective as a user.. they will get a lot more attention and feedback if they just let the damn thing get stolen..if you look at it this way: the only downside is that they wount get money from true fan&#8217;s that&#8217;s it&#8230; which they wount get it anyway.. if they dont spread their music&#8230; + points to: &#8211; their music will spread faster throughout the world &#8211; they will get more attention from the public &#8211; that leads to business opportunities  and that leads to&#8230; that.. true fan&#8217;s will defenetly buy the cd and belive me at least 5% of the world listen to this kindof music.. so if you addup the equasion they will get their payback.. and besides their music is realy great.. i see no reason why they would&#8217;nt succeed?&#8230; and for all you idiot&#8217;s with comment&#8217;s about stealing and what&#8217;s who&#8217;s and what&#8217;s right.. in our modern fucked up society&#8230;its called commercialization &amp; marketing.. live with it&#8230; take use of it.. spread the damn thing and let ppl know&#8230; you cant sell a banana to a monkey if the monkey doesn&#8217;t even know the banana exist&#8217;s&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Milton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Milton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 18:16:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Digital camera owners are a swarthy bunch! (could not resist)</description>
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		<title>By: Dubber</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dubber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 07:45:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know what you mean - except for the stealing bit. Copyright infringement is not theft.

For the drawing analogy, use a digital camera to take an identical copy of the artist&#039;s work. No charcoal drawing has been sold - but the &#039;infringer&#039; gets to take home the picture. Annoying as hell, perhaps - depending on your outlook. But still not stealing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know what you mean &#8211; except for the stealing bit. Copyright infringement is not theft.</p>
<p>For the drawing analogy, use a digital camera to take an identical copy of the artist&#8217;s work. No charcoal drawing has been sold &#8211; but the &#8216;infringer&#8217; gets to take home the picture. Annoying as hell, perhaps &#8211; depending on your outlook. But still not stealing.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 03:18:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi there,

Just came across this two-edged sword. I agree, there&#039;s no point getting angry, resentful and bitter about less-than-legal downloads, and working with what we have, and trying to turn it to your advantage.

On the flipside, you have to admit it&#039;s a pretty pathetic moral state we&#039;ve reached when personal property, albeit &quot;intelectual property&quot;, is open slather. If you caught a person swiping your mobile phone, it would be on. No-one walks past a street sketch artist and just takes a charcoal drawing with $5.00 on it. You&#039;d get punched out. So who decided it&#039;s &quot;cool&quot;, &quot;OK&quot;, or &quot;it&#039;s just what happens&quot; for people to just walk off with your music? Hmmm. Technology clearly overstepping the right/wrong boundary?? Personally, I&#039;ve experienced heartbraking financial lows in the pursuit of music. And we&#039;re not even seriously selling our music yet! I can see the point of the cyberspace &#039;street sketchers&#039; having people just walk off with their property - but morally it&#039;s even worse - the indy artists are in wheelchairs and can&#039;t even chase the thief....

Working with a system you have is important - but still beggars the question - who decided that people have an inherent right to steal intellectual property?

Cheers</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi there,</p>
<p>Just came across this two-edged sword. I agree, there&#8217;s no point getting angry, resentful and bitter about less-than-legal downloads, and working with what we have, and trying to turn it to your advantage.</p>
<p>On the flipside, you have to admit it&#8217;s a pretty pathetic moral state we&#8217;ve reached when personal property, albeit &#8220;intelectual property&#8221;, is open slather. If you caught a person swiping your mobile phone, it would be on. No-one walks past a street sketch artist and just takes a charcoal drawing with $5.00 on it. You&#8217;d get punched out. So who decided it&#8217;s &#8220;cool&#8221;, &#8220;OK&#8221;, or &#8220;it&#8217;s just what happens&#8221; for people to just walk off with your music? Hmmm. Technology clearly overstepping the right/wrong boundary?? Personally, I&#8217;ve experienced heartbraking financial lows in the pursuit of music. And we&#8217;re not even seriously selling our music yet! I can see the point of the cyberspace &#8216;street sketchers&#8217; having people just walk off with their property &#8211; but morally it&#8217;s even worse &#8211; the indy artists are in wheelchairs and can&#8217;t even chase the thief&#8230;.</p>
<p>Working with a system you have is important &#8211; but still beggars the question &#8211; who decided that people have an inherent right to steal intellectual property?</p>
<p>Cheers</p>
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