What do I think?
I’ve been posting a lot of interviews here on New Music Strategies of late. This time it’s my turn to get interviewed.

One of the easiest ways to write a good blog post is to get someone else to do it. You tap out a few questions, send them to someone intelligent, and then cut and paste the response onto the website.
I’ve been getting away with this a fair bit lately. Now one of my interviewees has turned the tables on me.
I spoke last month with Christian from Last.fm. He’s also a musician and keeps a blog. With his permission, here’s the interview he did with me in return.
CHRISTIAN: Getting press/promotion for your music remains the hardest part of any music strategy – and there are no online solutions in the way there are for distribution (e.g. Finetune). What would be your advice? Pursue traditional press avenues? Or just concentrate on the online channels, i.e. social networks, music blogs etc.
DUBBER: Actually, getting press/promotion for your music is the easiest bit these days. It’s just time consuming, and sometimes it’s worth bringing in a professional just because it’s such a job of work.
As you say, there are so many avenues from traditional press to social networks — and a decent PR strategy should include as many of those things as you can muster. Online channels are different to offline ones — but they don’t replace them.
C: With the advent of new retail models like We7 promoting free downloads, is the RIAA justified in continuing to sue file-sharers when it seems possible that all music will be free within 2 – 3 years?
D: Music’s already free — at a ratio of about 40:1 (free downloads to purchased). We7 is just one way to extract revenue from all that value being generated.
The major record industry’s never been justified in suing file sharers – and particularly not from a business perspective. It’s suicidally change-resistant, it’s the worst PR strategy an industry has ever managed to come up with – and it’s costing more than they’re recouping.
It’s a legal moneypit. They may have massive resources, but they’re not limitless.
Sadly, it seems that the best way to make money in the record business these days is to become a lawyer.
C: As they continue to garner negative press for their sometimes tenuous lawsuits, what would your advice be to the RIAA?
D: Stop. Apologise. Backtrack. Refund.
Spend the next five years on a concerted positive PR campaign. Give better deals to your artists. Contribute to green charities. Release the other 98% of your entire back catalogue in digital format. Give generous gifts and bribes to your customers — whatever it takes.
You’re in a hole. Stop digging. Jettison old ideas and spend the money you’ve been spending on lawyers on things that will make people feel more positively about what you do and how you do it.
It will take time. It will be expensive. The alternative is irrelevance and ruin.
And while you’re at it, consult some of the smartest minds on the planet from organisations like Creative Commons and the EFF to talk about ways to make money from a more open, technology-friendly, Long Tail-ready business model.
I reckon it will take around five years for this to work, and you’re going to have to start sooner or later if you want to still be in existence 10 years from now.
Think you’re too big and powerful for that to happen to? 80% of the most powerful companies on the planet listed in the Forbes 500 guide 20 years ago simply don’t exist anymore. Their fatal error? Resistance to change.
But it’s astonishing to me that an industry that has the capacity to generate so much pleasure and value in people’s lives by making music available have managed to so royally screw that up and make everyone hate them with a passion. It’s absolutely pathological.
Let’s not forget here though that I’m not talking about ‘The Music Industry’. I’m talking about the Record Industry, which is a small subset of the Music Industry. And even then, I’m only talking about a minority of organisations who command the lion’s share of the economics of that section of the industry.
The fact that they aggressively pretend to be the music industry is kind of laughable. It’s like the lion claiming to be the zoo.
Let’s not make this mistake: the music industry is NOT in any trouble.
By and large, the music industries as a whole are doing just great — particularly live music, music education and the community music / social enterprise sector. Mismanagement on a global scale may attract headlines, but as long as people derive value from an engagement with and experience of music, there will be money to be made.
C: Do you think subscription stream-on-demand models are the best option for the industry – e.g. people have access to an unlimited online jukebox for £3 a month, rather than downloading anything to their computer? If not, what would be your ideal for a future model of music consumption?
D: The answer here, as with most things to do with the online music environment is ‘Well, it’s complicated.’ What you propose sounds like a good model, and I’m sure there’d be a lot of people taking you up on it.
But complexity and choice are factors in online music consumption. People like to collect, organise and understand their music as an expression of themselves. Some people self-identify as jazz enthusiasts. They may not want to take home the whole record store.
The point is that looking for ‘the business model’ and saying ‘this rather than that’ means that you’ll overlook thousands of other useful, interesting or lucrative arrangements of production, promotion, distribution and consumption.
I think you’re just as likely to make a decent business model around metadata than you are around the recordings themselves. But the point is, as soon as you choose one to the exclusion of all others, you’ll be wrong.
C: Do you think that the internet has empowered the amateur to the point that it’s become almost impossible for the good voices to be heard above the noise? Is it about who shouts loudest or who has the best gimmick (e.g. Sandi Thom)?
D: No. 90% of everything is always crap. The more stuff there is, the greater the 10% pile becomes. All we need are effective filtering systems to sort what we consider to be wheat from what we consider to be chaff.
Advanced internet users are advanced to the extent that they have better filtering systems than everyone else. RSS feeds and social networks with built-in recommendation systems (such as Last.fm ) are examples of online filtering processes that bring the good stuff to your attention.
There’s a service industry revolution due in terms of customised and personalised cross-media content delivery. If it comes, and it’s done right, it will be of the same order as the call centre phenomenon.
Sandi Thom was a good story because it was the first time that particular PR stunt was done well. Like the million dollar homepage, everyone who tries to replicate that stunt will fail — because we’ve seen it and we know how it works now.
That’s the great thing about the online environment. You have to be clever, and you have to be innovative every time you go to work.
C: I’m a musician – if I was offered a major label record contract tomorrow, would you advise me to sign – if so/if not, then why?
D: That depends on what you want out of your musicianship.
If you want to be famous, have a number one single in the charts, a music video played worldwide on television and a concert tour where hundreds of thousands of people turn up, buy your merchandise and sing along with your songs — then your chances are still much better with a major label deal than without it. That may not always be true, but it is currently.
However, if you want to have a sustainable career, manage your own repertoire, have creative control, earn a decent living, not be in debt to a major corporation, have all of the decision-making power about what you are and aren’t prepared to do and — over the course of your career — earn more money and reach more people that care about your music, then your chances are better as an independent.
Statistically speaking, your chances of being ripped off, prevented from working, in a lawsuit, stopped from using your own music as you wish and generally creatively constrained are much higher in a major record company. However, there are some world class marketing people working in major labels who would be good to have on board if fame is your desired outcome.
C: With all this drive to connect with fans, open up access to you and your music, sell relationships etc, do you think something of the mystery has been lost? Could you imagine someone as compellingly aloof and enigmatic as Dylan or Bowie emerging from the Music 2.0 era?
D: I can imagine all sorts of things. The world is a bizarre and surprising place.
There are people who are genuinely aloof and enigmatic — but to answer your question more directly, just look how accessible and folksy Bowie, Dylan and David Byrne have become, given the choice and the access through technology.
Music is a form of communication and expression, and they have all made the most of the new music environment to enhance that aspect of what they do.
Most genuinely interesting artists (and I’d definitely include those three) turn out to be genuinely interesting, intelligent, creative and engaging human beings once they have the platform through which to express that side of themselves.
I think that makes them more fandom-worthy — not less (and in a much more palatable and sensible way).
While it’s nice to have a priveleged position as the artiste, and while for some there may be a degree of frailty of the image that’s been created, which comes under threat from accessibility and close scrutiny, I actually think that directness of expression, connection and communication has been a goal of most songwriters throughout history.
Technology doesn’t make you directly connect with fans, but it does allow you to.
Frankly, the alternative way for audiences to see behind the screen is through the lens of the tabloid. An information vacuum will lead them straight there. With that in mind, it makes a lot of sense to me that most artists are choosing to control their own message and be deliberate about what they reveal about themselves — no matter how famous or mysterious they are.
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Your turn to interview me. Ask me one question in the comments, and I’ll compile a list of answers for a future blog post.
If you could keep it to things around music online, I’d appreciate it. If not, then at least try and stay in an area I might know something about…





11 Comments. Write a comment or link to this post
George
How much time do you spend online as a percentage of your work time?
Jul 27th, 2007
Greg
My question is : what do you think of the PR of Prince’s last album? (http://www.mailonsunday.co.uk/prince/prince1.html) Gift with a newspaper, gift also to all his fan’s coming to a gig… Do you think it’s sustainable and how? Is it possible for everyone?
Now his label won’t distribute (?) him. Is it a good thing?
I think it’s a good example of application of your 20-things.
ps: I know…that’s more than one question ^^
Jul 27th, 2007
Rich Batsford
Hi Dubber
In response to a question about major labels you spoke enthusiastically about being independent.
By that do you mean self-releasing or would you see the ideal “middle way” solution as hooking up with the right independent label?
cheers
Rich
Xx
Jul 27th, 2007
Guillaume Champeau
Hi Andrew,
Fantasctic answers, they perfectly match what I’ve been saying for years on French Ratiatum.com. I love the “lion and the zoo” picture, that is the perfect analogy.
Here is my question :
Do you think it makes sense in the digital era with social networks, the long-tail and all the likes, to be waiting for the first “big star born on the Internet”? It looks to me we’re driving away from the mass media paradigm but that most of us are still looking for the mass media phenomena (aka “big star”) to happen. Aren’t we just going back to a time where stars where local, with the difference that local areas are now connected people in various connected niches?
Subsidiary question: do you authorize me to translate the interview and post it on Ratiatum.com ?
Jul 27th, 2007
Darren Landrum
It’s often said that the Internet presents a great opportunity for gigging musicians, who can use a web site to update their fans on tour schedules, and inversely turn new fans gained at shows onto their web site. A lot of the focus of musicians using the Internet has, in fact, revolved around the idea that said musicians also play live gigs.
That scenario leaves out us lone-wolf composers who have no intention or desire to play gigs. So, for someone who’s only musical output is recorded, what would be the kind of plan you might put together for self-promotion?
Thank you for doing this interview!
Jul 27th, 2007
spinmeister
absolutely outstanding Interview! One of my favorite points you are making: 90% of everything is crap, the trick is to find the good stuff. i.e. once the supply of music started to overwhelm the demand, it’s always been mostly the consumer’s job to sort out the wheat from the chaff. Partly that is, because that judgment is in the ear of the beholder. The more I have interact with people about specific pieces of music, I find that people hear even the same piece in many different ways. Truly amazing.
And I second the question about “what are your recommendations for the non live performing / only recording lone wolf?”
/one of your non-existent RSS readers
Jul 27th, 2007
Darren Landrum
Looks like Spinmeister and myself both thought the exact same thing upon seeing this article.
Jul 27th, 2007
Tom Poe
Andrew: Great interview. My question is about digital tv and radio in countries other than the U.S. As I understand it, a single analog tv channel holds the equivalent of up to eight digital tv channels. Will those channels be available to the public in the U.K.? In the U.S., we have legislated set-aside channels for public access. That means, starting in February of 2009, public access channels will explode in number, giving independent musicians a true market place for their music videos, live interactive tv talks shows, etc. A little planning now for musicians might pay off handsomely, as original tv content will be needed, and artists will have a great way to get in front of worldwide audiences.
Jul 28th, 2007
Darren Landrum
Since my question got asked by another person, I thought I’d ask a different one instead.
A while ago, I pointed this article out on the Sonific blog:
http://songboost.blogspot.com/2007/03/steak-tips-versus-candy-bars.html
It goes into detail about the concept of building the branding and web site around a song, rather than an artist. Though I think this is an interesting idea, if I’m going to blog my music, it seems to me that I need to sell myself as much as my songs. I was just wondering what you think of this. Thanks!
Jul 29th, 2007
Christian Ward
Darren, your question about non-performing musicians is interesting, and one I was considering asking Andrew myself (I’ve only played a handful of gigs in the 5 years I’ve been making music seriously).
The reason I didn’t? Well, because I think ultimately you have no choice these days – gigging is a necessity now that recorded music is so easily accessible. I’m certainly making plans to take my music out live in the autumn.
And in fact, the harder you think it is for you recreate live what you do in the studio, the more likely it is that you’ll come up with something interesting and original onstage. After all, who wants to go and see another four piece guitar band when you can go and see, say, Duracell doing crazy and seemingly impossible things with a drumset?
So my advice is – get out there and try it! Even Scritti Politti, who hardly ever gigged in their heyday, are out on the road now!
Jul 30th, 2007
Darren Landrum
Christian,
I have thought quite a bit about how I could convert any studio recordings I make into something only one person could perform live. The issue for me, though, is more confidence than anything. Although I can make my way around a keyboard in the comfort of my home, I feel I’m way out of my depth live. And, quite frankly, I don’t want to put a band together centering around me where it becomes obvious to the audience that the central figure is the least talented one in the group. I’ve seen enough of those myself to want to add another to the world, and they always end very badly for the poor sap who started the thing. So, my desire to stay recording-only is deeply rooted in my own cynicism and lack of confidence.
Still, as I start creating stuff in the studio and putting it out there, opportunities I can’t foretell now may just present themselves, so I will do my best to keep an open mind. One step at a time, you know.
Jul 30th, 2007
So... What do YOU think?