Comments on: Onliner Notes http://newmusicstrategies.com/2007/03/01/onliner-notes/ Music culture, strategy and thinking in the digital age Sun, 20 May 2012 02:12:48 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Should I do something about metadata? | New Music Strategies http://newmusicstrategies.com/2007/03/01/onliner-notes/comment-page-1/#comment-278 Should I do something about metadata? | New Music Strategies Thu, 09 Oct 2008 12:47:35 +0000 http://newmusicstrategies.com/2007/03/01/onliner-notes/#comment-278 [...] notes I wrote a blog post a long time ago about the ways in which information such as essays, recording session information, [...] [...] notes I wrote a blog post a long time ago about the ways in which information such as essays, recording session information, [...]

]]> By: Rob http://newmusicstrategies.com/2007/03/01/onliner-notes/comment-page-1/#comment-277 Rob Sat, 29 Dec 2007 19:07:38 +0000 http://newmusicstrategies.com/2007/03/01/onliner-notes/#comment-277 issuu.com is a new company that converts PDF books into a very clean flash-based presentation (like actually flipping through pages). Of course, you would have to create a PDF booklet first, but it's a start. Also, they load pretty fast! issuu.com is a new company that converts PDF books into a very clean flash-based presentation (like actually flipping through pages). Of course, you would have to create a PDF booklet first, but it’s a start. Also, they load pretty fast!

]]> By: 2007: Year in Review at New Music Strategies http://newmusicstrategies.com/2007/03/01/onliner-notes/comment-page-1/#comment-276 2007: Year in Review at New Music Strategies Sat, 22 Dec 2007 20:46:20 +0000 http://newmusicstrategies.com/2007/03/01/onliner-notes/#comment-276 [...] Onliner Notes This is something I feel quite strongly about: digital downloads do not sufficiently address the [...] [...] Onliner Notes This is something I feel quite strongly about: digital downloads do not sufficiently address the [...]

]]> By: Janko http://newmusicstrategies.com/2007/03/01/onliner-notes/comment-page-1/#comment-275 Janko Wed, 07 Mar 2007 17:38:49 +0000 http://newmusicstrategies.com/2007/03/01/onliner-notes/#comment-275 Interestng idea - but somehow I doubt ID3 Tags will be the solution. There are some different approaches worth looking into: Musicbrainz - http://musicbrainz.org - identifies songs by audio fingerprinting and eventually wants to become something like the Wikipedia for audio metadata. People already started annotating lots of albums and songs. Granted, this won't replace the original liner notes for works that have been released already, but maybe a smaller, innovative label could experiment with actually publishing liner notes here. Lucas Gonze - http://gonze.com/about - has been working on the idea of XML metadata for audio files for a while. Here's an audio recording of an interesting presentation he recently did about this subject in Los Angeles: http://belkin.com/barcamp/audio/20061112-153616.wav http://belkin.com/barcamp/audio/20061112-144358.wav Interestng idea – but somehow I doubt ID3 Tags will be the solution. There are some different approaches worth looking into:

Musicbrainz – http://musicbrainz.org – identifies songs by audio fingerprinting and eventually wants to become something like the Wikipedia for audio metadata. People already started annotating lots of albums and songs. Granted, this won’t replace the original liner notes for works that have been released already, but maybe a smaller, innovative label could experiment with actually publishing liner notes here.

Lucas Gonze – http://gonze.com/about – has been working on the idea of XML metadata for audio files for a while. Here’s an audio recording of an interesting presentation he recently did about this subject in Los Angeles:

http://belkin.com/barcamp/audio/20061112-153616.wav
http://belkin.com/barcamp/audio/20061112-144358.wav

]]> By: Robstellung http://newmusicstrategies.com/2007/03/01/onliner-notes/comment-page-1/#comment-274 Robstellung Fri, 02 Mar 2007 21:26:23 +0000 http://newmusicstrategies.com/2007/03/01/onliner-notes/#comment-274 I worked for a reissue label. We had bundles of stuff from the licensors archives that would have been priceless to the people who were buying our releases; which they doubtless already owned in other forms anyway! We were able to include bits and bobs in sleeve notes but there was plenty more in the vaults, letters, tape logs, original press sheets etc. Getting volumes of that stuff out there would have enhanced our products no end. The "lovingly repackaged and enhanced" marketing strapline and niche market business model will doubtless result in solutions to this problem evolving. I brought all the 25 anniversary issues of one of my top artists albums and they were indeed enhanced but i know there's more I would be interested in. And yes, I would pay to see it. But in what form? Online? Only in a very few cases. If your lucky though some fanatic will have set up a system where fans can contribute material (gig tickets, flyers, set lists) etc to archives on a website and your musical life will be that bit more complete. Perhaps a "You Tube" for press cuttings, scans of tickets and flyers etc. I'd be logging on and sharing my the dust colleting cultural capital. All very well reading a transcript of a fanzine interview from '85 but i'd rather see a scan of how it appeared first time complete with beer stains...and as an illustration of this point i suddenly remember that my myspace picture is a photo of an advert for the 1989 Reading Festival - that's what i want people to know about me. I was there! I worked for a reissue label. We had bundles of stuff from the licensors archives that would have been priceless to the people who were buying our releases; which they doubtless already owned in other forms anyway! We were able to include bits and bobs in sleeve notes but there was plenty more in the vaults, letters, tape logs, original press sheets etc. Getting volumes of that stuff out there would have enhanced our products no end.
The “lovingly repackaged and enhanced” marketing strapline and niche market business model will doubtless result in solutions to this problem evolving.
I brought all the 25 anniversary issues of one of my top artists albums and they were indeed enhanced but i know there’s more I would be interested in. And yes, I would pay to see it. But in what form? Online? Only in a very few cases.
If your lucky though some fanatic will have set up a system where fans can contribute material (gig tickets, flyers, set lists) etc to archives on a website and your musical life will be that bit more complete.
Perhaps a “You Tube” for press cuttings, scans of tickets and flyers etc. I’d be logging on and sharing my the dust colleting cultural capital. All very well reading a transcript of a fanzine interview from ’85 but i’d rather see a scan of how it appeared first time complete with beer stains…and as an illustration of this point i suddenly remember that my myspace picture is a photo of an advert for the 1989 Reading Festival – that’s what i want people to know about me. I was there!

]]> By: Guillaume http://newmusicstrategies.com/2007/03/01/onliner-notes/comment-page-1/#comment-273 Guillaume Fri, 02 Mar 2007 11:19:36 +0000 http://newmusicstrategies.com/2007/03/01/onliner-notes/#comment-273 I definitely agree to the fact that considering the number of ways we can transfer and share information (including RSS), online music store could improve their products in providing extra about the artist or the band you bought the music from. I will appreciate obtain more information such as lyrics, press release, images or any other media content related to the music I purchase. I definitely agree to the fact that considering the number of ways we can transfer and share information (including RSS), online music store could improve their products in providing extra about the artist or the band you bought the music from. I will appreciate obtain more information such as lyrics, press release, images or any other media content related to the music I purchase.

]]> By: Clare http://newmusicstrategies.com/2007/03/01/onliner-notes/comment-page-1/#comment-272 Clare Fri, 02 Mar 2007 11:15:58 +0000 http://newmusicstrategies.com/2007/03/01/onliner-notes/#comment-272 I don't see why this idea couldn't work. I feel the liner notes are a really important when it comes to owning an album, and we could do with a lot more than the basic information if we downloaded it. Yes, it's not the same as actually physically having the liner notes, but it's better than nothing I don’t see why this idea couldn’t work. I feel the liner notes are a really important when it comes to owning an album, and we could do with a lot more than the basic information if we downloaded it. Yes, it’s not the same as actually physically having the liner notes, but it’s better than nothing

]]> By: Azeem Ahmad http://newmusicstrategies.com/2007/03/01/onliner-notes/comment-page-1/#comment-271 Azeem Ahmad Fri, 02 Mar 2007 11:15:40 +0000 http://newmusicstrategies.com/2007/03/01/onliner-notes/#comment-271 Its not a TOTAL solution to what you propose, but I think you should try <a href="http://www.songbirdnest.com" rel="nofollow">Songbird</a>. Its marketed as a digital jukebox/web browser 'mash-up', and has not long been released, so the scope for improvement is massive. I wrote a small article about it <a href="http://newswireonline.blogspot.com/2007/02/itunes-of-web-browsing-songbird.html" rel="nofollow">here</a> which you are free to read to discover more. The current stage of this program is still in 'developer preview', and still has a wealth of features to keep even the average internet user happy. 9 hours before I wrote this, I would have told you that this program was not compatible with an iPod, however, <a href="http://addons.songbirdnest.com/nest/ErikStaats" rel="nofollow">Erik Staats</a> of Songbird has just released an <a href="http://addons.songbirdnest.com/extensions/detail/12" rel="nofollow">extension</a>that allows you to mount your iPod into songbird, and even load songs to and from your iPod. Back to the issue however, there are a wealth of add-ons for Songbird, a lot of which do the leg-work in finding out artist information while you enjoy the music. I'm currently content with the <a>Wikipedia extension</a> for it, it simply displays that particular artists' Wikipedia website. The only flaw with this extension is that if you are listening to a relatively niche artist, he/she/they might not be on-line as of yet. However, the program is always developing, so keep an eye out for it, and the problem (which i'm sure not just you are experiencing)may just be solved. Its not a TOTAL solution to what you propose, but I think you should try Songbird. Its marketed as a digital jukebox/web browser ‘mash-up’, and has not long been released, so the scope for improvement is massive.

I wrote a small article about it here which you are free to read to discover more.

The current stage of this program is still in ‘developer preview’, and still has a wealth of features to keep even the average internet user happy. 9 hours before I wrote this, I would have told you that this program was not compatible with an iPod, however, Erik Staats of Songbird has just released an extensionthat allows you to mount your iPod into songbird, and even load songs to and from your iPod.

Back to the issue however, there are a wealth of add-ons for Songbird, a lot of which do the leg-work in finding out artist information while you enjoy the music. I’m currently content with the Wikipedia extension for it, it simply displays that particular artists’ Wikipedia website. The only flaw with this extension is that if you are listening to a relatively niche artist, he/she/they might not be on-line as of yet.

However, the program is always developing, so keep an eye out for it, and the problem (which i’m sure not just you are experiencing)may just be solved.

]]> By: Kylie Gammans http://newmusicstrategies.com/2007/03/01/onliner-notes/comment-page-1/#comment-270 Kylie Gammans Fri, 02 Mar 2007 11:08:14 +0000 http://newmusicstrategies.com/2007/03/01/onliner-notes/#comment-270 I am not really interested in getting any additional information about a song, however there is obviously people out there who do have an interest in this. A good solution to finding information online would be as of interest to many people. I am not really interested in getting any additional information about a song, however there is obviously people out there who do have an interest in this. A good solution to finding information online would be as of interest to many people.

]]> By: Caroline http://newmusicstrategies.com/2007/03/01/onliner-notes/comment-page-1/#comment-269 Caroline Fri, 02 Mar 2007 11:07:59 +0000 http://newmusicstrategies.com/2007/03/01/onliner-notes/#comment-269 Part of the reason that I still buy CD's is for the artwork itself, as I like to see the lyrics, the people the band has reason to thank and the intricate art or photographs they use to grab your attention. Whilst this is a good idea to redevelop the booklet concept for an online market, personally I still love the paper format, but would have to see this in practice before being swayed. Part of the reason that I still buy CD’s is for the artwork itself, as I like to see the lyrics, the people the band has reason to thank and the intricate art or photographs they use to grab your attention. Whilst this is a good idea to redevelop the booklet concept for an online market, personally I still love the paper format, but would have to see this in practice before being swayed.

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