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		<title>By: Taking a Free Culture Approach to Music &#124; Unity Behind Diversity &#124; Blaise Alleyne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Taking a Free Culture Approach to Music &#124; Unity Behind Diversity &#124; Blaise Alleyne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jan 2010 23:03:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] It makes more sense to charge for the scarce things than for the abundant. People need to hear and like music before they&#8217;re willing to buy, so I want people to download [...]</description>
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		<title>By: *T*ZeeNahimana*</title>
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		<dc:creator>*T*ZeeNahimana*</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Sep 2009 13:05:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>*People DO hear Music~Consciously, subconsciously &amp; unconsciously. From a marketing point of view People DO like Music if it either relieves pain or provides pleasure within it&#039;s neural sense. From a promotional stance People WILL buy Music if the Artist is clever enough to incorporate both! Yes! I agree, ethics is important, along with integrity, but let&#039;s not forget the &#039;main&#039; principle here. From a spiritual outlook People LOVE Music if it gives them a necessary answer of wisdom to the question of the era, &amp; it&#039;s aligned with contacting them on a personal level. In an Artist&#039;s own unique way with Auric-lyric ofcourse! They&#039;ll listen to it once for free if it&#039;s packaged with the promise to crack the code of indifference to the relationship &#039;with&#039; it. So unconsciously they decide they need it, to be able to share this with others. They&#039;ll come back for more if it&#039;s promoted with the intelligence of connection &#039;to&#039; it. So then they consciously choose to have it, for the same reason above. And they&#039;ll certainly BUY IT if it&#039;s produced with the genius of cultural enhancement, and directed through that metabolic rate! Why? Because then they feel MORE valuable than the Music itself, &amp; they FEEL it already belongs &#039;with&#039; them &amp; &#039;to&#039; them!! Yes! I agree, that people are more likely to take care of themselves first before others, but whether unconsciously, subconsciously, or consciously, People KNOW when LOVE is involved!!!*** ***T*ZeeNahimana~Spiritual/Music~Director/Teacher*~(Great-Grandcousin of Dame Nellie Melba~The Opera Singer, Great-Grand-daughter of Dutch Composer/Conductor e: Johannes Van Oldenbarnevelt (Not the statesman of a similar name))...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>*People DO hear Music~Consciously, subconsciously &amp; unconsciously. From a marketing point of view People DO like Music if it either relieves pain or provides pleasure within it&#8217;s neural sense. From a promotional stance People WILL buy Music if the Artist is clever enough to incorporate both! Yes! I agree, ethics is important, along with integrity, but let&#8217;s not forget the &#8216;main&#8217; principle here. From a spiritual outlook People LOVE Music if it gives them a necessary answer of wisdom to the question of the era, &amp; it&#8217;s aligned with contacting them on a personal level. In an Artist&#8217;s own unique way with Auric-lyric ofcourse! They&#8217;ll listen to it once for free if it&#8217;s packaged with the promise to crack the code of indifference to the relationship &#8216;with&#8217; it. So unconsciously they decide they need it, to be able to share this with others. They&#8217;ll come back for more if it&#8217;s promoted with the intelligence of connection &#8216;to&#8217; it. So then they consciously choose to have it, for the same reason above. And they&#8217;ll certainly BUY IT if it&#8217;s produced with the genius of cultural enhancement, and directed through that metabolic rate! Why? Because then they feel MORE valuable than the Music itself, &amp; they FEEL it already belongs &#8216;with&#8217; them &amp; &#8216;to&#8217; them!! Yes! I agree, that people are more likely to take care of themselves first before others, but whether unconsciously, subconsciously, or consciously, People KNOW when LOVE is involved!!!*** ***T*ZeeNahimana~Spiritual/Music~Director/Teacher*~(Great-Grandcousin of Dame Nellie Melba~The Opera Singer, Great-Grand-daughter of Dutch Composer/Conductor e: Johannes Van Oldenbarnevelt (Not the statesman of a similar name))&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: RSS and the Greatly Exaggerated Rumors of the Album&#8217;s Death &#171; Bandcamp Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>RSS and the Greatly Exaggerated Rumors of the Album&#8217;s Death &#171; Bandcamp Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 21:39:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] attorneys). Maybe it&#8217;s because people are more likely to buy albums when they can actually listen to them beforehand. Maybe it&#8217;s because we&#8217;re offering albums in the formats people want to buy. Maybe [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] attorneys). Maybe it&#8217;s because people are more likely to buy albums when they can actually listen to them beforehand. Maybe it&#8217;s because we&#8217;re offering albums in the formats people want to buy. Maybe [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Alex Cortes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex Cortes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 20:43:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This  (the 3 steps) may be partially untrue in the context of selling recorded music -these days.  But it&#039;s most definitely true if we take a panoramic view. &quot;Buy music&quot; does not have to be &quot;recorded music&quot; necessarily...

Attempting to change the ethics code of people seems absurd to me.  You might scare them, but, deep down, people will remain the same:
Don&#039;t count on people to take care of your interests.  Count of them to take care of themselves.  Find a way of giving them something it is in their best interest to have, and a mechanism to ensure fair compensation... be creative!!!

just my 2 cents</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This  (the 3 steps) may be partially untrue in the context of selling recorded music -these days.  But it&#8217;s most definitely true if we take a panoramic view. &#8220;Buy music&#8221; does not have to be &#8220;recorded music&#8221; necessarily&#8230;</p>
<p>Attempting to change the ethics code of people seems absurd to me.  You might scare them, but, deep down, people will remain the same:<br />
Don&#8217;t count on people to take care of your interests.  Count of them to take care of themselves.  Find a way of giving them something it is in their best interest to have, and a mechanism to ensure fair compensation&#8230; be creative!!!</p>
<p>just my 2 cents</p>
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		<title>By: Unity Behind Diversity &#187; Make your music available so people can connect with it &#187; Blaise Alleyne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Unity Behind Diversity &#187; Make your music available so people can connect with it &#187; Blaise Alleyne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 02:24:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I think artists should make their music available for download. It&#8217;s like Andrew Dubber says, people hear music, people like music, people buy music. Or in Haydain Neale&#8217;s words, people feel music in this order: hips, heart, head (well, he [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I think artists should make their music available for download. It&#8217;s like Andrew Dubber says, people hear music, people like music, people buy music. Or in Haydain Neale&#8217;s words, people feel music in this order: hips, heart, head (well, he [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Jose</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 08:09:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok, so the value you pay when you buy a song is the value represented in the creativity and effort of the artist to create this thing we call music from thin air and make it sound good in a pair of speakers. The problem is that people generally don&#039;t give a damn if the artist had to sell his ass to pay the studio sessions, it&#039;s not even about the artist, it&#039;s about the music itself because it is what at the end produces the pleasure. At the listener end of the equation, the relationship is between listener and music, technically the artist doesn&#039;t really matter, it&#039;s just natural to get the music for free if I can because it&#039;s what I care for.

I think the actual state of the music industry with all this sharing stuff is something that was going to happen sooner or later, it&#039;s human nature to share things and to get the most out of something at the lowest cost possible. As we are the ones that create technology, we were going to advance in those aspects of human life and here we are now.

Everything that can be represented as information (in this case music) can and will be pirated, and the particular problem with music is that it has to be spread to work, not like a private sex tape that is information for your own entertainment, and you see what happens when a sex tape finds a way to the internet. So you can either destroy all means of information processing and transferring -which is impossible because you can&#039;t fight evolution- or assume that music is free from the beginning and develop your strategy from there.

Now, the value of music should be based in quality, not illusion of quality (ie set prices). And as quality is subjective to people tastes, it&#039;s relative. So it doesn&#039;t matter if you give away the music for free or sell it, the value people find is if he or she likes your music or not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, so the value you pay when you buy a song is the value represented in the creativity and effort of the artist to create this thing we call music from thin air and make it sound good in a pair of speakers. The problem is that people generally don&#8217;t give a damn if the artist had to sell his ass to pay the studio sessions, it&#8217;s not even about the artist, it&#8217;s about the music itself because it is what at the end produces the pleasure. At the listener end of the equation, the relationship is between listener and music, technically the artist doesn&#8217;t really matter, it&#8217;s just natural to get the music for free if I can because it&#8217;s what I care for.</p>
<p>I think the actual state of the music industry with all this sharing stuff is something that was going to happen sooner or later, it&#8217;s human nature to share things and to get the most out of something at the lowest cost possible. As we are the ones that create technology, we were going to advance in those aspects of human life and here we are now.</p>
<p>Everything that can be represented as information (in this case music) can and will be pirated, and the particular problem with music is that it has to be spread to work, not like a private sex tape that is information for your own entertainment, and you see what happens when a sex tape finds a way to the internet. So you can either destroy all means of information processing and transferring -which is impossible because you can&#8217;t fight evolution- or assume that music is free from the beginning and develop your strategy from there.</p>
<p>Now, the value of music should be based in quality, not illusion of quality (ie set prices). And as quality is subjective to people tastes, it&#8217;s relative. So it doesn&#8217;t matter if you give away the music for free or sell it, the value people find is if he or she likes your music or not.</p>
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		<title>By: Krzysztof Wiszniewski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Krzysztof Wiszniewski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2007 12:40:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andrew, I&#039;ve been a reader for some time now and I greatly appreciate the work you&#039;re doing. Your line of argument here makes perfect sense, but - to be honest - I&#039;m not at all sure that the conclusions you have reached are correct.

The main problem I see is with point 3. (as people do). It seems only natural that people will be more inclined to buy music that they already know and like - so the three-step argument has some merit - but the question is: will they?

Here we begin to address the fundamental problem of why should people pay for something that they already got for free? I can see only two potential reasons: good will towards the artist (wouldn&#039;t count on it too much) or added value. I come from Poland, where even twenty years ago the only way to get most Western recordings was to tape them from the radio. Certain DJs actually played whole albums on the air. Hard times, as they say. Naturally, sound quality was terrible most of the time, so a privately imported LP had real added value.

These days it is no more difficult or expensive to distribute high-quality sound than low-quality sound - why not just let people download everything for free? It&#039;s possible, certainly, but I really don&#039;t see most of those, who downloaded the music, paying for it later. However, I invite you to show all us skeptics that we are wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andrew, I&#8217;ve been a reader for some time now and I greatly appreciate the work you&#8217;re doing. Your line of argument here makes perfect sense, but &#8211; to be honest &#8211; I&#8217;m not at all sure that the conclusions you have reached are correct.</p>
<p>The main problem I see is with point 3. (as people do). It seems only natural that people will be more inclined to buy music that they already know and like &#8211; so the three-step argument has some merit &#8211; but the question is: will they?</p>
<p>Here we begin to address the fundamental problem of why should people pay for something that they already got for free? I can see only two potential reasons: good will towards the artist (wouldn&#8217;t count on it too much) or added value. I come from Poland, where even twenty years ago the only way to get most Western recordings was to tape them from the radio. Certain DJs actually played whole albums on the air. Hard times, as they say. Naturally, sound quality was terrible most of the time, so a privately imported LP had real added value.</p>
<p>These days it is no more difficult or expensive to distribute high-quality sound than low-quality sound &#8211; why not just let people download everything for free? It&#8217;s possible, certainly, but I really don&#8217;t see most of those, who downloaded the music, paying for it later. However, I invite you to show all us skeptics that we are wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: sir dorian</title>
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		<dc:creator>sir dorian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Nov 2007 15:18:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this sounds a lil bit to...hm...easy, nowdays. i really agree that things wich are for free, didnÃ‚Â´t value. music lose a lot of value over the last years because you can get it for free.

fans didnÃ‚Â´t become fans Ã‚Â´cause of the songs and music. they become fans if a huge PR and media campagin happend and a story get transported. thats the reason why they love artists. i mean..ok..music is important...but look around how many crap artists out there with a huge fan base etc.
if a song hits airplay on radio stations, people hear it 8 times or more a day. but before a song set up on airplay, it needs a lot of money and even a good PR.

i think that it is all about a good story to tell in a era where so much bands produce there songs with a cheap computer software and everyone sounds like each other.
bands or artists who have also a good story, know that tastemaker, influential people and the familiar thing of the music biz,  are more important than send thousands of demos around the world to every record label...and having also personalities in there band and a unique style...then they can achieve what they want.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this sounds a lil bit to&#8230;hm&#8230;easy, nowdays. i really agree that things wich are for free, didnÃ‚Â´t value. music lose a lot of value over the last years because you can get it for free.</p>
<p>fans didnÃ‚Â´t become fans Ã‚Â´cause of the songs and music. they become fans if a huge PR and media campagin happend and a story get transported. thats the reason why they love artists. i mean..ok..music is important&#8230;but look around how many crap artists out there with a huge fan base etc.<br />
if a song hits airplay on radio stations, people hear it 8 times or more a day. but before a song set up on airplay, it needs a lot of money and even a good PR.</p>
<p>i think that it is all about a good story to tell in a era where so much bands produce there songs with a cheap computer software and everyone sounds like each other.<br />
bands or artists who have also a good story, know that tastemaker, influential people and the familiar thing of the music biz,  are more important than send thousands of demos around the world to every record label&#8230;and having also personalities in there band and a unique style&#8230;then they can achieve what they want.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Bentley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt Bentley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Oct 2007 21:35:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BTW - you are also making an uneasy alliance between &#039;enjoying music&#039; and &#039;appreciating music&#039;, which&#039;re not the same thing even remotely. When my brother comes to town to visit, he enjoys the things my family does for him, but it takes a slap upside the head (metaphorically) for him to actually understand that people don&#039;t have to go out of their way for him, and therefore, to appreciate it. Don&#039;t try and twist that into a personal thing, it&#039;s only an example-
but the fact is, people may be enjoying music more often and in greater quantities than before - but they sure as hell ain&#039;t appreciating it as much as they would if they had to pay for it (see argument above regards valuation in capitalism), nor are they appreciating it as much as they would were there a smaller amount of it (scarcity). It&#039;s just -more music- now - they can have as much of it as they like, with no need to thank, pay or appreciate the artists, sound engineers, mastering agencies etc.
That kind of snowballs on a societal level until you get a spoiled economy- why the hell -should- someone pay for music if they can download it illegally, without consequences? Ethics is the only answer to that, not placating the consumer by encouraging more music devaluation, or judicious enforcement of the law on a few unfortunate individuals to scare the hell out of the rest.
If you want people to sell t-shirts, go for it. If you want people to sell music, to make money from music, you need to be encouraging ethics, not piracy. Just don&#039;t try and pretend they&#039;re the same thing.
BTW, The idea that access to music -shouldn&#039;t- scale to income is frankly anti-capitalist (not that I actually have a problem with that sentiment, but we -do- live in capitalist times) - radio, which&#039;s a free format, is not on-demand or easily recordable, equates to low quality streaming, which (for some reason) you are against. People across all spectrums have had access to this level of quality for a long time (and still do with streaming), and those with money have been able to pay for retainable copies. There&#039;s no reason why that system should not continue to exist, other than the fact that people would rather obtain their music without paying the makers of it, illegally and unethically.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW &#8211; you are also making an uneasy alliance between &#8216;enjoying music&#8217; and &#8216;appreciating music&#8217;, which&#8217;re not the same thing even remotely. When my brother comes to town to visit, he enjoys the things my family does for him, but it takes a slap upside the head (metaphorically) for him to actually understand that people don&#8217;t have to go out of their way for him, and therefore, to appreciate it. Don&#8217;t try and twist that into a personal thing, it&#8217;s only an example-<br />
but the fact is, people may be enjoying music more often and in greater quantities than before &#8211; but they sure as hell ain&#8217;t appreciating it as much as they would if they had to pay for it (see argument above regards valuation in capitalism), nor are they appreciating it as much as they would were there a smaller amount of it (scarcity). It&#8217;s just -more music- now &#8211; they can have as much of it as they like, with no need to thank, pay or appreciate the artists, sound engineers, mastering agencies etc.<br />
That kind of snowballs on a societal level until you get a spoiled economy- why the hell -should- someone pay for music if they can download it illegally, without consequences? Ethics is the only answer to that, not placating the consumer by encouraging more music devaluation, or judicious enforcement of the law on a few unfortunate individuals to scare the hell out of the rest.<br />
If you want people to sell t-shirts, go for it. If you want people to sell music, to make money from music, you need to be encouraging ethics, not piracy. Just don&#8217;t try and pretend they&#8217;re the same thing.<br />
BTW, The idea that access to music -shouldn&#8217;t- scale to income is frankly anti-capitalist (not that I actually have a problem with that sentiment, but we -do- live in capitalist times) &#8211; radio, which&#8217;s a free format, is not on-demand or easily recordable, equates to low quality streaming, which (for some reason) you are against. People across all spectrums have had access to this level of quality for a long time (and still do with streaming), and those with money have been able to pay for retainable copies. There&#8217;s no reason why that system should not continue to exist, other than the fact that people would rather obtain their music without paying the makers of it, illegally and unethically.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Bentley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt Bentley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Oct 2007 21:18:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;ve got me wrong there Dubber-
I&#039;m not stamping my foot, I&#039;m pointing out the base situation as it stands, which is, people are not making as much money from recording music. Ie. People will not pay for music, which you&#039;ve stated as &#039;fact&#039; here.
The majority of people I know (a broad spectrum) purchase music infrequently, 90% of the time listening to whatever they&#039;ve downloaded from p2p. I&#039;m not against giving away music for free in a lower quality format (ie 128kbps) and being able to listen to it in entirety with a reasonable level of quality (ie. radio or in this day &amp; age 128kbps), but your argument that they will pay for music is false.
They don&#039;t.
FYI, Boards of Canada have only done one piece of licensing for a tv ad (a cellphone ad) to date. They&#039;re smart. They know that the most important thing to themselves, and their fanbase, incindentally- is integrity. You&#039;re not going to see a lot of licensing happening with them.
Now, before you go off on another rant about how what -you want- capitalism to be, I&#039;ll remind you that capitalism is based on people being paid for their goods and services, and the money going proportionally to those goods and services which&#039;re seen to have the most value.
You may not be able to construct a valid argument against it, but when people have twenty gigs of albums sitting on their hard drives and don&#039;t go out and buy them (as is the case with so many computer users) legally, then yes, music is and has been being devalued since the mp3 came into existence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;ve got me wrong there Dubber-<br />
I&#8217;m not stamping my foot, I&#8217;m pointing out the base situation as it stands, which is, people are not making as much money from recording music. Ie. People will not pay for music, which you&#8217;ve stated as &#8216;fact&#8217; here.<br />
The majority of people I know (a broad spectrum) purchase music infrequently, 90% of the time listening to whatever they&#8217;ve downloaded from p2p. I&#8217;m not against giving away music for free in a lower quality format (ie 128kbps) and being able to listen to it in entirety with a reasonable level of quality (ie. radio or in this day &amp; age 128kbps), but your argument that they will pay for music is false.<br />
They don&#8217;t.<br />
FYI, Boards of Canada have only done one piece of licensing for a tv ad (a cellphone ad) to date. They&#8217;re smart. They know that the most important thing to themselves, and their fanbase, incindentally- is integrity. You&#8217;re not going to see a lot of licensing happening with them.<br />
Now, before you go off on another rant about how what -you want- capitalism to be, I&#8217;ll remind you that capitalism is based on people being paid for their goods and services, and the money going proportionally to those goods and services which&#8217;re seen to have the most value.<br />
You may not be able to construct a valid argument against it, but when people have twenty gigs of albums sitting on their hard drives and don&#8217;t go out and buy them (as is the case with so many computer users) legally, then yes, music is and has been being devalued since the mp3 came into existence.</p>
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